FTU
Dragon Ball Z Uncensored
The only place on the World Wide Web where you can hang out with Chris Psaros-san, the coolest webmaster this side of Namek!
 
  FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

AMAZING SCIENCE
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 8, 9, 10, 11  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Dragon Ball Z Uncensored Forum Index -> Miscellaneous Topics
           Author           Message
8 bit orgy
There's no fucking way Obama will win FL and NV. There's like to democrats to speak of anywhere here. Even the younger adults are voting for McCain. Honestly, I never even met a democrat in Florida, period.
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
Posts: 2888
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:31 am)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

I never said I sided with astrologist and people of the like. But I will side people who go against it using obvious atheist logic to disprove it. People like Dawkins ARE here to steal my food and rape my women. They're simply preaching crap because they have emo tears that there isn't an afterlife and that they can't molest little boys in the middle of times square. Whether it be astrology, god, or UFO debunkery, it's always the same crap, coming from the same crap source: "Humans need a reason, it gives the comfort, it's all a fantasy, come with me to hell!"


Everything doesn't go back to my UFO experience but THE EXPERIENCES I HAD DESCRIBING IT TO PEOPLE AND SEEING HOW THEY (and me) RATIONALIZE IT. I've only told it to a handful of people, and it only felt I was seperating from them telling it. Everytime I described it to someone, it felt there was this great fog of shit called rational in the room. It's a disgusting feeling beyond belief. I feel it when people like Dawkins and Thel spew this fog to validate their feelings of emo tears.

But I understand where you're coming from. You think I don't respect skeptism and incredulity are wrong. I admit I do give that aura out. But you can ask Pat, that in reality, I'm really the biggest fucking skeptic of everything. I can't even count how many times I has some long rant to Pat about gay and retarded people are and why they believe them.

"The predictions of dismissal come true" really actually hits the nail on the head. This is what I described about the part oneself plays in oneself's head when describing an unpopular belief to you peers. I see this view as thick as polack soup. But the difference is, I'm not talking about some stupid Chris Psaros conspiracy, I was merely describing a simple fucking eyewitnessing. Instead, I get the response that "this person is crazy and has been watching too much X-Files" (my least favorite show of all time!).

But as I did some serious UFO studies, I realized that there's an army of people with similar experience. Just as people dismiss my sighting, the millions of others will be as well. This is illogical by the sheer amount of witnesses and colaborating evidence. The debunkery logic is poisonous to the truth.
Big Fagot
Alpha ape
Joined: 09 Jan 2007
Posts: 10545
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:28 am)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Quote:
They're simply preaching crap because they have emo tears that there isn't an afterlife and that they can't molest little boys in the middle of times square.

It is not troubling to imagine that life doesn't go on forever. I don't lose any sleep over how terrifying and painful every second of nonexistence will be. Furthermore, I can't believe I have to defend non-religious morality (you really can't be serious), but most atheists did not become that way out of a desire to harm people or behave illicitly. If you're actually scared of what would become of morality without God watching us every second and giving a shit whether we stone our children for kneeling on the wrong leg in their parents' presence, then I've overestimated you.

You're right that people behave like chimps rather than rationally in certain social situations, such as when someone says something culturally accepted as an indicator of madness, like a UFO experience. Sorry! It's not right, but it's your fight, not mine.

None of this makes it any more likely or necessary that God exists, or any more unreasonable to attack astrology and the new age movement. I've heard a lot of maneuvering between imagined social groups from you, dismissing what atheists and skeptics say because they're arrogant idiots who reject Almighty God, but you gloss right over the fact that humans DO need a reason, and it DOES give comfort, and the Universe IS identical to one where God doesn't exist but humans decided he must be there because they have big brains which are largely devoted to dealing with other people and which are powerfully imaginative.

You talk about "watching through it" and "obvious atheist logic". I hope you're not evaluating every statement through the lens of "what would this logic say about UFOs?"
Theldorrin
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 19724
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:30 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

You're wrong, Chris.

A sound argument is one in which the argument is valid and the premises are true. You can't refute a sound argument. To refute an argument you have to point out that the premises are false, or the argument isn't valid.

Chris, your argument is bullshit. I actually picked out something that was specifically logically sound, because I knew you wouldn't be able to refute it. Instead you started to go off on your own nonsense and ignored the irreducibly complex thing entirely. His argument isn't that there can't be a god, in this case, his argument is that irreducible complexity is nonsense.

You basically just created a straw man of the whole argument, and changed it from something about irreducible complexity to something about whether we can know anything about god. That's really irrelevant since this argument is based totally on definitions (it defines a creator as being more complex than a creation, for example). It doesn't require any knowledge of the world, since it's purely deductive.
Theldorrin
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 19724
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:39 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

I guess I should have explained the ideas behind irreducible complexity some more. I figured you would have read it in the news, or looked it up.
Stupid Fucking Faggot
Stupid 30 fuckbag who likes DBZ
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 7037
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:02 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

What Frank is saying about the smugness and condescendingness of "rational" people is so fucking good and true, and is the reason why I am so skeptical of pseudo-skeptics. It simply comes down to their non-humility and jealous, hoarding mentality about "knowledge."

You'll have an experience, and they'll tell you that you're wrong, and this is how, and this is the "psychological need" that made you THINK you had the experience.

Not that true believers don't have their faults.

There REALLY ARE two "teams" when it comes to this kind of shit, and each in their own irritating ways, are gay.
Theldorrin
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 19724
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:28 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

That's why you're not a rational person. Rational people judge facts on their own, and don't care about the personality of the person espousing the fact.
Theldorrin
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 19724
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:41 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

I don't like being associated with Sam Harris, either.
Ryoko's Biatch
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 9256
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:43 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

This thread is so stupid and gay.
Ryoko's Biatch
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 9256
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:43 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

I'm sorry, I didn't read the first two words of that post, were you talking about Chris Psaros?
Stupid Fucking Faggot
Stupid 30 fuckbag who likes DBZ
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 7037
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:46 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Quote:
That's why you're not a rational person. Rational people judge facts on their own, and don't care about the personality of the person espousing the fact.


This post makes no sense, but whatever.

As for the irreducible complexity thing, I knew it was a bad idea to reply to that, because you didn't actually say what the argument was, you just referenced it, so I had to guess what you were referring to, so if I were engaging the argument wrongly, it's your fault for not being explicit and my fault for actually moving forward.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 15034
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:58 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

http://drewpickles.com/files/jesusinhell.gif
Stupid Fucking Faggot
Stupid 30 fuckbag who likes DBZ
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Posts: 7037
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:04 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

If people would just stick to shit where evidence can actually be examined, like UFOs and ghosts and psi, and not bother with abstract, ill-definable garbage like God, things would be a lot simpler. Who cares about God. Fuck God.

People who have boners for arguing like the God debate though exactly BECAUSE of its abstractness. It's a "purer" argument because it ultimately comes down to gay little logic maneuverings, not evidence.

Basically the Christian God is horseshit of course, among many others I could name, but ultimately conceptions of God really have to be taken on a case-by-case basis, and that's the important thing. I don't really have a God or a construction of it or a belief in it myself, because I have been given no reason to, but hey, maybe other people have data that I don't.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 15034
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:05 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

This thread should've ended with my link Chris
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 15034
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:09 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Someone move this argument to my forum
8 bit orgy
There's no fucking way Obama will win FL and NV. There's like to democrats to speak of anywhere here. Even the younger adults are voting for McCain. Honestly, I never even met a democrat in Florida, period.
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
Posts: 2888
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:21 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Don't lie to yourself, BF. You're only non-human in the words you type.

Also, Chris, it's not a lack of positive character that determines an atheist. It's the idea of that logic only predetermines that there is no God. And it is from that psuedo-logic that creates that character (or of a "part" as I call it).

Ideas are more powerful than the human comprehending and projecting it. Obviously, none of us created a giant mathematical formula and a large, highly analytical spreadsheet of the possibility of the existence of divine presence. You can't pretend for a second that you can truly grasp all the possible influences in a pure, super-logical way.
And yet we play the role that there is at least other people out there that do. So we look towards champions like Richard Dawkins. Or highly technical publications that are always hilariously disproved by critical realists. But one picks and chooses what best fits into our pink assholes but publicly deny that one enjoys a firm, fleshy, hot dick slamming one's ass.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 15034
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:26 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

gwee hee hee

Are you ever coming back to Holiday?
8 bit orgy
There's no fucking way Obama will win FL and NV. There's like to democrats to speak of anywhere here. Even the younger adults are voting for McCain. Honestly, I never even met a democrat in Florida, period.
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
Posts: 2888
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:32 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Take cover Pat. At the moment you're an air traffic controller during multiple super hurricanes smashing into each other.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 15034
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:36 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

*instant transmission*
Big Fagot
Alpha ape
Joined: 09 Jan 2007
Posts: 10545
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:44 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

I think I've said everything I care about, and I have to go rape babies in Times Square.
Theldorrin
Joined: 04 Jan 2007
Posts: 19724
(Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:49 pm)
Reply

Post     Re: AMAZING SCIENCE

Chris, Richard Dawkins is an evolutionary biologist. It being nonsense is a big part of his position.

If you have any actual familiarity with what he's said then you'd have familiarity with his thoughts on evolutionary biology and how it relates to the god of the gaps.

Anyway, I gave you too much credit in having actually read his opinions on things, when you've almost certainly only heard him mentioned as being a radical atheist by people that are almost certainly retarded and/or Christian fundamentalists.
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Dragon Ball Z Uncensored Forum Index -> Miscellaneous Topics All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 8, 9, 10, 11  Next
Page 9 of 11

 
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group