Dragon Ball Z Uncensored

Fagzilla · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:06 pm)

Um... don't you mean "differently abled?"

Magic Juan · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:07 pm)

No, I mean crippled faggots.

Fagzilla · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:09 pm)

Um... don't you mean "crippled nigger-faggots?"

Magic Juan · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:11 pm)

I don't know if that means you think that I'm trying to be "mountain dew xxxtreme" about hating a certain category of people, when I'm really just talking about hating crippled faggots.

Magic Juan · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:12 pm)

I'm not sure if you'll get it, but I did something there.

Fagzilla · (Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:15 pm)

This is getting complex!

Potatoes · (Sat Jul 18, 2009 12:16 am)

Vinny is right.

cloacal kiss · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:31 am)

Oh man, people are really going to bring up me not talking about this stuff 4 or 5 years ago or whenever I was posting in high school? I had no interest in talking about any of this online. I wasn't really interested in discussing this stuff with anyone! Yeah, I call people faggots and always called people faggots and niggers and nigger faggots. That has nothing to do with what I actually believe about nigger faggots. The fact that I never brought up feminism before was because I had no interest in stirring shit over it here and the reason I never brought up racism before is for the same reason although also because I never witnessed so much awkward "I'm not racist, but" shit here before. I've posted here off and on since I was 16, it is ridiculous to think my personality and attitude toward posting wouldn't change in any of my half year or more absences regardless of how easy that makes it to categorically dismiss everything I say.

Anyways Rice your entire argument seems to be that women are biologically equipped to bear children. It is easy to see how some traditional roles formed from that but if they aren't essential (Which in their strict forms they aren't) then they shouldn't be forced onto women the way they are. Morgan, you hate people and you do most of your socializing on the internet. You are sort of the profile for somebody who would not respect a woman choosing to reproduce at all, let alone in place of a career. You're nuts if you think having kids is looked down on by any meaningful chunk of the population. Anyways as for TV portraying women favorably, it's completely retarded to point out unfavorable male stereotypes. No fat kid in the world is afraid he's going to grow up to be a clumsy inept policeman. The range of positive male characters is orders of magnitude wider than that of female characters. There are tons of awesome fat male characters, for instance, but who is an awesome fat female character? Roseanne??

YES · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:08 am)

ALDP, the whole basis of your argument (and a principle problem I have with feminism) is its based on arguments that society and men are INNATELY sexist, that women are INNATELY oppressed unless we do something about it. Which may be true, but is not that good of an argument.

If there is a completely brutal frontier village with total freedom, chances are women tend towards traditional roles, even if some are whores or even dominant alpha-ladies.

The whole problem with feminism in the western world is that they aim to INSTITUTIONALIZE women's rights, as opposed to just live and let live (which is what freedom really is, in some opinions).

In a word, Women have not been "forced" in to their roles to the extent feminists claim they have. That is my, and probably everyone elses critique of 2nd wave feminism.

And American women in particular can just plain fuck themselves, they have done their part in making American the worst of both worlds when it comes to both conservatism and gender

YES · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:15 am)

Maybe I am a little harsh on the feminists, but it does get difficult at times to respect them in an American context. there was a time when I hated them more the neo-cons, and I guess there is a tad bit of residue there.

Sporkism · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:11 am)

I've never said that having children is looked down upon by any significant portion of the population.

I've said that perhaps women who just want to stay home and take care of their kids instead of also having a job might be looked down upon in a society where women are expected to work like everyone else.

"Adjusting to a New Self Image

On top of all this, new stay-at-home moms will probably feel a torrent of conflicting emotions as they create new identities for themselves. Unconsciously, they may have attached a good deal of their self worth to the careers they left behind. Curious strangers who question, 'So, what do you do?' may unconsciously trigger a new stay-at-home mom’s fight-flight instinct."

"On one very important thing both 85% of stay-at-home moms and 83% of working moms agree. Both say stay-at-home moms don’t get the respect they deserve."

So, I would say there has definitely been a shift of opinion about the more traditional female roles.
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Magic Juan · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:11 am)

I have sex with women and they bear my seed.

ALDP · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:20 pm)

Outland, you're a retard. Women haven't been forced into their roles because their roles are millions of years old and the most likely default in a completely brutal frontier village? Feminism seeks to institutionalize women's rights in order to correct centuries of institutionalized sexism. What the hell are you even talking about?

My focus isn't even on institutions which are probably at least superficially equal in most cases. The problem is that American society is extremely sexist which makes the question of a woman's role a lot more difficult to resolve.

And Morgan, there has been a shift in some people's sensibilities but I think the dominant experience is still being asked by various relatives when you're going to get married, have kids, etc.

Vinny · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:39 pm)

Uh, men can deadlift heavier shit than women can. Explain that.
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Ryoko's Biatch · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:56 pm)

Uh, men can fuck each other in the ass. Explain that?

Theldorrin · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:45 pm)

There are a lot of fat male characters on TV but they're not positive role models.

Stay-at-home moms get more respect than they deserve, since what they do is usually absurdly easy.

Theldorrin · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:52 pm)

There are very few positive role models on TV at all, I suppose. I guess Star Trek, Angela Lansbury on Murder, She Wrote, and a very small number of characters on medical dramas.

Ryoko's Biatch · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:56 pm)

Greg House

Theldorrin · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:59 pm)

No, he's a drug addict. The only positive things about him are his intelligence and atheism.

Sporkism · (Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:56 pm)

I think it's more of a double standard, really. People expect women to have kids AND keep up with some sort of career.
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