Dragon Ball Z Uncensored

[YES]

I cant reach it

[Ryoko's Biatch]

He'd pay for your plane ticket to America.

[YES]

cool, Ive never been to New York

Oh fuck hes in Frisco now. Well thats cool as long as I dont have to pay rent

[Rice]

ALDP, you somehow implied that her insanity was nonexistent, or even my fault entirely. That's ridiculous. I know you want to keep harping on the fact that I posted THE JUICY DETAILS just so you can keep calling me names, but I talked to this girl daily for like 3 months. I continually gave her the benefit of the doubt and ACTUALLY TRIED TO HELP HER until I thought "HEY, MAYBE SHE'S REALLY JUST FUCKING CRAZY AND I SHOULD SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE INTERACTED WITH HER THINK ABOUT IT"

Your flippant categorization of me as a neocon is hilarious. Oh, I don't agree with you on a social issue, I MUST be uncultured and ignorant of everything. And despite your norm-defying and unpredictable course of education, I think I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, college has turned you into into a ninny who overzealously hounds any type of view that conflicts with your adopted own. That's not like anyone on the right or anything.

Yeah, like any kind of person likes being told they're oppressed. I don't know where that came from. And what is the party trick thing all about? And the "feminism is mischaracterized and attacked by the mainstream" angle? What the fuck? I'm not going to argue about this because that has nothing to do with what I said.

I don't believe in feminism because it's absurd to assume that women and men are the same. Obviously their bodies develop to handle different things, and you crazy if you believe that they think the same way. Yes, it is inarguable that women are treated shittier than men, and are denied things unfairly because they are women. I, however, do not think that forcing women into the same role as men in society will fix or help this problem. It doesn't make them any happier and it sure as hell doesn't make them any more respected. It's not like in China, where there was no feminist movement, the women were all going around going "Oh, I'm missing out. If only I knew what it was!" The women there seemed happier than here, for fuck's sake.

Oh, this is name calling, but you are a mega shitbag for accusing me of being a coward by using personal details and past events as leverage in an argument and then bringing up my dad. Wow.

[Theldorrin]

The women in China are probably happier because they're Chinese and most of the women in America are not.

[Action Hank]

No one is happy, anywhere.

[Fagzilla]

So, Big Fagot lives in San Francisco...

[Big Fagot]

I would have deleted that post, but Triple Life seems to have an axe to grind elsewhere so I said fuck it.

Surprise!

[Theldorrin]

He'll just forget about it by next week.

[Fagzilla]

Oh, I'm not planning on INFILTRATING YOUR LIFE or anything, it's just, heh heh, San Francisco...

You just wanted to be a kid in a candy store, didn't ya!

[Theldorrin]

I really didn't think you'd be so juvenile about all of this.

[Fagzilla]

He wanted to live in San Francisco so that he'd have easy access to MALE SEXUAL PARTNERS!

[Ryoko's Biatch]

Peter doesn't live in San Francisco.

[YES]

Oh, he wants to be gay with hispanics?

[cloacal kiss]

I never implied she wasn't insane. I never implied she was an innocent helpless girl. I never even goddamn mentioned her, fuck! How many times do I have to say you're gay for courting a crazy girl and then posting the JUICY DETAILS in a place where she would obviously find out about them and do something retaliatory/crazy? Beth's last claim to fame was a relationship with Gimp Mask that turned out to be exactly the white trash apocalypse one would imagine. Anyways I've called you gay enough times in this argument that I don't give a shit anymore, whatever. It was mean for me to say that about your dad but it bears mentioning that it was already in the public record whereas you were talking about truly horrific things nobody knew about meems.

I don't know anything about your politics, the neocon thing was because you kept insisting I was calling you gay out of a feminist agenda (ridiculous misunderstanding of a "liberal" issue), and following that up with the suggestion that my politics are based solely on being in university (ridiculous assertion every conservative makes about young people with liberal viewpoints). I can see how it would be a stretch from your point of view and maybe I should have compared you to Chris Psaros since he's also ignorant and convinced that an actual liberal cannot exist outside of academia. I was a feminist who is bothered by racism before university, to cover the two things I know I've overzealously hounded people about here. I'm also very seriously opposed to homophobia but I think most FTU posters are so I doubt it will ever be a thing. I haven't attended anthropology courses or women's studies courses, taken part in any political clubs, or even spent very much time at all discussing politics with like-minded people. What you read as "Look at my wacky education!!" was meant to say "I am not attending a magical ivory tower bastion of naive condescending liberalism." To the extent that university puts everyone in contact with new situations and viewpoints and types of people, yes, that has affected me. It has not dominated my entire way of thinking in a way I'll slap my forehead about when I'm 30 (41-year-old Chris Psaros, I hope you're reading this and prepared to gloat or PAY ROY). I argue at FTU this way no matter what the subject is. The fact that I'm arguing a position you would personally expect from a noxious stereotype at school does not mean I am him. I'm not going to justify myself any further on this point because, again, the idea that nobody with my beliefs ever carried them past grad school is completely retarded.

The reason I'm talking about feminism being mischaracterized and misunderstood is because you misunderstand it (and just now you've mischaracterized it). When you use a phrase as nauseating as "fashionably liberal viewpoints" I can only assume that you think mine are motivated by a desire to be fashionable, which is really at least as retarded as my tenuous comparison to neocon talking heads. I said nobody likes being told they're oppressed because I know plenty of women don't want to ROCK THE BOAT and think "feminism" is code for "big mean dyke club." Again, just addressing what I thought was your implication that I'm doing this to fit in.

Feminism does not propose that men and women are identical in every way. The point is that the perceived differences between men and women nearly always place women in a subordinate, passive, often trivial role. What kind of women do you see on TV?
-Annoying naggy hot wife on sitcom
-Housewife enthusiastic about cleaning product
-Soaped up naked chick
-Damaged femme fatale who will eventually be involved in cliched, tacked-on love story
This says something about society, not to mention perpetuates itself.

You're right that women think differently than men, part of the reason is that their experience in our society is tailor-made to turn them into self-loathing emotional wrecks. I think, in general, men are much better suited than women in the fields of bricklaying, jackhammer operating, strongman competitions, etc. What are the male roles you feel women have been "forced" into? And what exactly makes them so no-girls-allowed that a woman who grew up treated as a functioning human being couldn't handle them? We're not talking about teaching a bear how to fly a helicopter here. Anyways, please don't mention China as a country blissfully free of the painful overwhelming expectations of feminism. I'm sure the women you met were very cheerful but the hundreds of thousands of dead baby girls probably wish they had been born in Sweden or something.

[Theldorrin]

You shouldn't cite wives on sitcoms, because they're always much, much more favourable than for men, who are portrayed as fat, stupid and lazy.

It's actually annoying how so many sitcoms use the same stupid tropes for that bullshi.

[Rice]

You maintained she had almost nothing to do with the issue whatsoever, and that the insanity that sprung from it was somehow a result of MY gaiety. Yeah, that's garbage. My mistake lay in posting the damn thing in the first place.

I bring up the university thing because you took a huge posting hiatus then returned a good two or three years into college and started arguing from a very liberal point of view with way more fervor than you had ever before, if you even did argue those points previously. If women's issues, racism, and homophobia bothered you prior to college, I certainly don't recall it being manifested all those times you called Chris a faggot nigger retard. It's just hilarious that you went to college, stopped posting, then started posting again but this time included these social issues that you never mentioned before. I mean, you basically realize this so w/e, but if the shoe fits...I dunno, it was funny to hear Chris gloat.

I don't know why you think I misunderstand feminism. I can understand apprehension with proclaiming yourself a staunch feminist given the stigma attached to the word, but don't think that just because I disagree with you that means I have this perception of Feminazis and raging bulldykes and all that. I know plenty of normal, awful people that call themselves feminists.

Your TV analogy doesn't work. I could list "bumbling donut eating cop", "vain self absorbed jock", and so on as negative male stereotypes (Really I could draw every kind of character from Family Matters). Boo fucking hoo. Really, with what little TV I actually watch I don't even see your stereotypes anymore. If I do it's either in reruns of old shows or as satire. Should that be a result of a feminist victory, it still doesn't mean anything because society is still awful. In fact, I'd say the amount of empowered, sassy and competent women characters equals if not outnumbers the traditional housewife role and it's not like women are collectively shedding the shackles of the latter.

Honestly, I don't even think passive and subordinate is bad. Yes, trivial is, however I don't consider women to be trivial. Traditionally feminine aspects are needed. It's a BALANCE of things that feeds into itself. What's so wrong with a woman occupying a supportive position in society rather than a direct one? Is the knowledge that man is so completely reliant upon women at times so horrible? I think we can agree that women are better nurturers and caregivers than men. Is this really a tailor-made role that society has created? If it is, maybe there's a reason. I realize this situation doesn't always work out perfectly, but what in society does? That's why I think things like chivalry were created. It's a man's duty to MAN UP and not abuse his wife!

When I say "roles" I don't mean careers, ALDP. When a woman is encouraged or even expected to be a breadwinner, she has to divert energies away from the nurturer position that she is naturally inclined towards. I realize this is a moot point in say, an office setting, but I'm willing to risk that in a traditionally male field such as leadership or war, a woman's skillset and natural leanings are going to play against her, regardless of others' perceptions. Really I have no problem with women occupying mens' roles, but I don't think that women should be ashamed, afraid of or discouraged from being traditionally feminine. It's actually pretty awesome.

Basically what I'm saying is you could be an Orc Mage, but why the fuck would you do that when you get a STR bonus?

And I'm not mentioning China as a "country blissfully free of the painful overwhelming expectations of feminism", although it is, lol. I brought up China because the popular perception is that it's a country with a miserable oppressed population and in reality no one gives a flying fuck except, well, liberal college weenies and I'm saying even THERE the women manage to be happier. Oh, and by the way the One Child Only policy has loosened considerably since the 1970's. I saw a substantial amount of couples with multiple children and yes, live baby girls.

This is gay. I'm done.

[Magic Juan]

leave it to the beavers....heh....

[Sporkism]

I'm not "traditionally nurturing" but I don't have any super masculine strengths or traits either.

I guess I'm just fucked!
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[Rice]

Morgan, you're fine just the way you are.

Also, don't you bake?