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Da Bouncer's Gravity Room
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Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:13 pm)
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It's a good think that calculators are mentioned otherwise Peter would complain about how they'd be unable to any of the complex arithmetic required for psychohistory.

Phew! We really dodged a bullet there.
Big Fagot
Alpha ape
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:16 pm)
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Quote:
I havent read it in a while, Pork Pie, but I dont think you have to be so fixated on the technology. Thats not the point of the book. Its not oooh look its in the future I bet they have flying cars.


Fucking Jesus Christ, thank fucking God, someone said it.
MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:17 pm)
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I think psychohistory is the coolest concept from the book! Most science-fiction authors play with futuristic ideas such as, if cars go fast today, I bet cars go REAAALLY fast in the future.

Psychohistory is more unique and it seems to me possible!
Big Fagot
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:17 pm)
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Psychohistory is baldly ridiculous and impossible, but it is a neat concept and literary device, and I did enjoy that part.

The feudal machinations were also weird but enjoyable.
Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:21 pm)
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It's just proper economics carried to the logical conclusion.
MADali
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:21 pm)
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If we go many, many years in the future, maybe its possible! I mean, its just data collection & analysis anyway.
Big Fagot
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:21 pm)
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MADali, if Hitler had died in a car accident then the 20th century would have been very different.

You can't predict these things!

It is a fun idea regardless, though.
Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:24 pm)
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Was Hitler the sole impetus for WW2 and the holocaust? You don't think there was already established resentment based on the fact that Jews had lots of property and common Germans were experiencing hyperinflation?
MADali
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:26 pm)
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Nazism would have existed without Hitler, and I bet the war would have more or less been the same.
Big Fagot
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:28 pm)
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Now we're debating the Great Man Theory, which I know Theldorrin favors, so haha, I get jokes.
Psarevo


(Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:49 pm)
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This is backflippingly entertaining.
Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:14 pm)
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I only count thinkers as great men.
Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:16 pm)
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Actually, it's neat on a meta level to think about how psychohistory would deal with Hari Seldon in the first place. I suppose it depends on the nature of psychohistory, though, and what type of mathematics it is.
Theldorrin
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:30 pm)
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Actually, I'm not sure if the Great Man theory can continue if you have a large enough population.

I suppose if there aren't any hard limits to genius, and people come around who are like Einstein, Archimedes, Euler and Newton combined.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:35 pm)
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*air crackles with ki*
Ryoko's Biatch
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:48 pm)
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Let's play the What If Hitler Died in World War I game.
GimpMask
My daddy ate my eyes.
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:04 pm)
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Lemme play!
YES
Ask me about nation, culture, religion, gender, sexuality, and identity in general being anachronisms from a more vulgar and primitive past.
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:20 pm)
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The nazis seem to have been chosen as the most practical alternative to communism

I think the reason they were so adverse to communism, was that germans had something to lose (their leftover infrastructure). Other countries were like "we have no infrastracture anyway so who cares if we're communist" but germany had some good infrastructure leftover


It still took some genius politicking for the nazis to get power, so yes I think killing off hitler would either stop nazis from power or slow it down enough where history is altered
Magic Juan
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:34 pm)
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So the infrastructure was a cultural cornerstone, is what you're saying.
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(Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:16 pm)
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I just spew shit out of my mind

\sort of like you, but not always as awesome
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