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Jason
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(Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:44 pm)
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Nickass
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:27 am)
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| i forgot lol |
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:57 am)
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| Concepts like "no means no" has been ingrained in peoples minds. I dont know why you are acting like rape is not sufficiently discussed. Oh so rape exists in non-violent situations too. I bet articles, movies, shows, debates, adverts have not discussed. |
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ALDP
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:40 pm)
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No isn't the only thing that means no, and that concept has definitely not been ingrained in people's minds. You're being typical and assuming that the social justice part of the internet is representative of society's views as a whole. You're an ignorant piece of shit. Portrayals of rape in the media are overwhelmingly either stranger danger or somebody using roofies, and they're equally overwhelmingly used for shock value, not to actually raise a discussion about rape.
Also, the fact that the poster you posted is useless and potentially harmful doesn't mean that the solution is a different kind of poster. Do you think "No Means No" is a success story? How many movies and TV shows feature sex scenes that start with the woman loudly resisting and then eventually giving in? It's probably got its own fucking TVTropes listing. |
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 12:44 pm)
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| You have the mind of a child. |
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ALDP
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 1:03 pm)
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| My childlike sense of wonder says that you're a sad man of middling intelligence who is grappling with concepts that are too complex for him to fully process. |
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 2:20 pm)
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| You started this debate by saying "but there aren't any messages telling men not to be rapists" and you keep changing the goal post on that ridiculous statement. |
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ALDP
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:11 pm)
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| I haven't changed shit, you just gave a bunch of garbage examples that prove my point. A catchphrase like "No Means No" doesn't mean anything when there's a vast preponderance of media focusing on no not meaning no. And that's not even getting into the fact that "No Means No" doesn't address a huge amount of rapes. |
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:51 pm)
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Your argument stated that "but there aren't any messages telling men not to be rapists"
To then keep changing your argument on the volume of messages, on the kind of rapists, and on the way the messages are conveyed to men shows the weakness of your statement.
Because if you keep changing the parameters of what you mean, I wouldn't be able to understand which points to argue. |
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kakarot52
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(Fri Sep 12, 2014 11:41 pm)
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ALDP missed the most important point: crime is good. The United States had more crime and rape when it as free'er and dissident like 25 years ago.
You can move to a fascist society like sIngapore if you hate crime so much. Me, I am pro-western because western crime, rape culture, and drug addiction is good. Look how the USA was doing much better when cocaine and rape was in vogue and stuff.
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:02 am)
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| What do you say to that, ALDiPshit?? |
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Fagzilla
Got lost in another dimension for a couple months. But seriously, we will actually update the site within the next couple of days. http://www.bandzwiki.com/
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:31 am)
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I'm so happy to be alive!!!! |
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ALDP
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:33 pm)
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OK. The messages presented about men not being rapists are either inadequate or else completely miss the point.
You claim that the media tells men not to be rapists and I say that the rape featured in the media does NOT give any sort of message about normal men not being rapists. A story doesn't have a moral just because there's good guys and bad guys. A murder mystery doesn't teach people not to be murderers, and there's no deeper meaning to Law & Order SVU than "rape mysteries."
Before there needs to be posters saying "Women who drink are responsible for getting raped" with a picture of a raped woman screaming, there should be a poster telling men not to rape drunk women. Did you know rapists like to get drunk too? Did you know lots of rapists don't consider themselves rapists? As long as there should be posters on the subject of rape, a needlessly graphic one blaming women for getting raped has no more reason to exist than a poster simply telling men not to be rapists. |
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ALDP
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:34 pm)
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| And Vito, you're fucking scum. |
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ALDP
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:40 pm)
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Here is the poster again since the link in MADali's post is broken. |
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kakarot52
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:11 pm)
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Wow, it really IS the victims fault!
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kakarot52
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(Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:53 pm)
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j/k we need feminism to cleraly address the age old issue of crime and punishment.
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MADali
Basically, someone like me is the friend who is watching from afar and shaking one's head.
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(Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:58 am)
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| Quote: | | "OK. The messages presented about men not being rapists are either inadequate or else completely miss the point. " |
There are many, many messages about rape. Your claiming it being "inadequate" or "miss the point" is more difficult to address because how can we quantify it? I can say that it is mentioned in various forms of modes of transmitting messages to a society, but you can say that it is not enough. Okay, fine, but thats a far cry from claiming the messages are not there.
| Quote: | | "You claim that the media tells men not to be rapists and I say that the rape featured in the media does NOT give any sort of message about normal men not being rapists. A story doesn't have a moral just because there's good guys and bad guys. A murder mystery doesn't teach people not to be murderers, and there's no deeper meaning to Law & Order SVU than "rape mysteries." |
Your comparison is incorrect, because a murder mystery, more often than that, does tell people that murders are bad. In most murder mysteries, there is someone grieving from the death of a victim, or some negative consequences, or legal precurssions. I've not seen a murder mystery where the detective has to find the murderer, so that he will be given a medal.
Rape is the same way in your example in those particular shows.
But obviously, thats not the only way they are represented, as they are handled differently in different genres. There are many examples that can be seen in the media for the shit in the mentality of people and how rape is being viewed. For example, why isn't rape shown in a friendly, haha manner? (not considering woman on man rape) Because people won't find it funny, and they won't find it funny or comfortable, because they have been exposed to the anti-rape message for decades.
| Quote: | | "Before there needs to be posters saying "Women who drink are responsible for getting raped" with a picture of a raped woman screaming, there should be a poster telling men not to rape drunk women. Did you know rapists like to get drunk too?" |
Those messages have been given many times and are being given and will be given. Messages are not this OR that. They can both co-exist at the same time to be more effective.
I'm not saying that messages trying to affect the mentality of men should not be considered anymore. I'm saying they were there already, it has made some impact, and it should go on. But you are saying it hasn't ever been done, and it needs to start now. Which I think is ridicolous.
| Quote: | | "Did you know lots of rapists don't consider themselves rapists?" |
This is a completely seperate subject and it is a more complex topic. The way people excuse their bad actions always exists. No man steals thinking, "I'm doing a bad thing here". No man hurts another thinking, "It's wrong of me to do this". Humans are excellent in being able to justify their actions. As mobs are, as religion groups are, as nations are. You think when men had slaves in America, they thought, "I bet this morally not acceptable" or where they justify it so well to themselves, that it became an act of good and kindness to the black people?
Or when America bombs nations, how do you think the decision makers sleep at night? Do they cackle evily in their sleep knowing the destruction and death they have caused, or are they comforted thinking they have either helped that nation or it was a difficult decision to make to safegaurd the people of America.
To tackle the way people justify it to themselves is made more difficult when it comes to rape because of how muddled it has become. When rape means both the same thing as six men raping a girl in a bus while beating her boyfriend in Delhi with a 19 year old being slightly aggressive with his girlfriend of several months, then it becomes obvious that the message can get lost somewhere along the line.
Also, a lot of these messages become ineffective in people justifying their own actions, because the results they see when they do things. If a young boy doesn't take the "no" seriously, and as rewarded by sex with the girl, and the relationship continues fine the next day, then how does this affect his viewpoint on his action?
The campaign on rape is fault, but not by what you are saying. You think that they aren't telling men not to rape women, but I think if you want to find faults, then more difficult questions needs to be asked. Rape is related to one of man's most evolutionary makeups. Aside from the many questions that need to be asked, one of them (to get back to the topic) should be in empowering the victims. That is, I think, done by showing them, not merely as victims with no control over their destiny, but by people that can alter or have an affect on their future. To tell someone what to do to reduce probability of rape is not victim blaming. It is victim empowering. |
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Seru
Custom titles are for heroes, like me.
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(Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:08 am)
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| I'm glad that quote function is finally getting some use. |
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Jason
At ten I shaved my head and tried to be a monk, I thought the older women would like me if I did.
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(Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:00 pm)
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| Quote: | | Only YOU can prevent forest fires? Fuck Smokey the Bear and his blame the victim mentality! These PSAs aren't doing enough to fight the pro-forest fire contingent in society and I'm wildly offended! |
I hope you get killed by a real bear!
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