Dragon Ball Z Uncensored

[ALDP]

Soilerz

Wow grate episode. This show sure has a lot of crazy people. It seems like Van Alden should lose his job, even if he's revealed to have awesome proof that his partner was corrupt (which doesn't seem likely). Obviously his craziness is powerful enough for him to still do crazy stuff as a vigilante, tho! I also hope Harrow gets to fulfill more of his promise as a super powerful badass, even though it probably won't be by killing whole families like he suggested.

I'm pretty excited about the season finale. It takes all my self control not to just go on wikipedia and spoil all the historical storylines.

[Fagzilla]

What happened to "yous" and "YOU'RE GONNA _____, SEE??" and their ilk? They don't exist anymore. Why??

There's a whole 20s gangster lingo/accent thing that seems to have sprung into existence instantly and disappeared just as suddenly.

People didn't talk like that before that, or after that, and yet there it is!

It's weird!

[ALDP]

What is your authority on that? Have you even been to New Jersey?

[FancyMichael]

No, but he's been to your mom's house so he's probably got to meet nearly every man on earth.

[ALDP]

I've definitely heard somebody say "yous" before and saying "________, SEE?" was a trademark of gangster characters played by Edward G. Robinson and subsequently used whenever there is a gangster in a cartoon.

Chris, why do you keep making these statements insinuating you have extensive knowledge of historical trends in American English? So far you haven't demonstrated actually knowing anything on the subject.

[Fagzilla]

Now you're just harrassing me!

[ALDP]

No, I'm genuinely curious why you keep doing it. Is this something that was touched in one of your classes in school or something?

[Fagzilla]

You are imagining an insinuation that I am not insinuating.

I am NOT speaking from a position of authority, didn't phrase anything I've said as if I were, and its insane for you to read the posts that way.

I'm like "hm, WTF? This is interesting. I'm interested in this. What's going on here?" and you're like "WHAT MAKES YOU SUCH A LINGUISTICS EXPERT?"

[ALDP]

You said black speech has changed "more" than white speech since the 1920s, and you said that gangster-speak emerged and disappeared spontaneously. You were emphatic in both cases.

[ALDP]

You seem oblivious to what a blustery asshole you are.

[Fagzilla]

Jesus Christ, like that isn't fucking true of you?

You are about ten times more annoying than I am, especially in the last year or so, and especially in the realm of "blusteriness."

Every time anyone (who you don't like and have a history of disagreeing with) makes any kind of broad claim or assertion, no matter how casual, conversational, tentative, open-ended, or knowingly flippant, you immediately jump on it and subject it to your unbearableness.

Do you really think I walk around every day thinking I'm some kind of expert on this or that and that I'm not just making conversation at FTU? I may be right about the stuff I said, I may not, whatever. I'm not nearly as dug into this as you seem to think I am.

People don't generally construct their sentences with phrases like "I'm not sure that back in the 20s black people actually talked like CHALKY talks" when they're making serious, "emphatic" statements of their deeply-held convictions about a topic, or conclude those statements with the phrase "It's weird!"

[ALDP]

You made like 4 or 5 posts on the topic of Chalky sounding like a modern black person, as if that means something. What do you think is the timeline of the development of the gangsta persona that you know from rap music and gangsta characters in movies and TV shows from the past 20 years? Do you figure all black lowlifes in the 70s were pimps, and all black people in the 60s were Black Panthers?

And in your other post you reiterate your stupid imaginary observation about something disappearing like 10 times.

You're a shithead and you're full of shit, die bitch

[ALDP]

You talk like somebody who is constantly full of shit and constantly saying annoying things and will never realize how full of shit and annoying they are.

[Theldorrin]

I like how ALDP always gets Chris' goat.
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[Fagzilla]

Well, I'd say the goat-getting is a two way street.

[Theldorrin]

You would say that, because you're trying to save face.
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[Fagzilla]

I clearly AROUSE HIM emotionally!

Otherwise he wouldn't scream at me, would he.

[ALDP]

OK, go on not explaining what you meant by any of the stupid shit you said! I'm comfortable assuming that what you meant about black people is exactly what I described.

[Fagzilla]

It is what I "meant," at least in as much as it was merely tentative, off-the-cuff skepticism.

Black American speech/culture HAS evolved a great deal in the past 90 years. This is not an outlandish, foolish statement. You are pushing this hard, but you can only do so much more twisting and exaggerating to make it seem like it is.

Chalky's speech/timbre/intonation, in particular his use of the term "muthafuckas" struck me as anachronistic. His first appearance, at least. I don't think it was unreasonable to be doubtful, anymore than I would be if Kunta Kinte had called his master a jive turkey [with a certain rhythm and tone that I can't convey here because we're arguing on the Internet and you can't hear or see me] in an episode of Roots.

I don't know exactly when or how the term "jive turkey" or [this rhythm/tone] evolved into existence among black people, I just know that it DIDN'T exist in the 1860s.

Me knowing this does not rely on some cartoonish stereotype of black people that I have acquired from movies and rap music, and it doesn't have to, but so what if it did anyway? is there something wrong with obtaining information about culture from culture?

I know there was no "jive turkey" in the 1860s the same way that I know that white people didn't say "Um, yeaaaaah... not so much!" in 19th century England, and that this specific thing is a product of modern American English.

You don't have to be a linguist, or white, to know this. It's just basic sociocultural literacy that comes from being alive in the Western world, from an aggregate of thousands of sources, whether books, movies, conversation, life experience, logical inference, whatever.

How exactly you know, or why things like this can intuitively feel "off" to you, is not easy to specifically quantify. It's largely unconscious. And that's the feeling I got: "this is not 1920 somehow." I'm not going to try to academically back it up because it was only ever at the level of a feeling.

Back, specifically, to "motherfucker":
http://nymag.com/guides/fallpreview/2010/tv/67617/

[ALDP]

I can't believe you took a whole screen to say all that nothing. You're some kind of windy bitch, you know that?